Tisha Talks Switches

White

Clicky
Duration: 16m 14s

Like the sound of walking on gravel.

Switches mentioned in this episode

Kailh box white

45±10gf

Actuation force

1.8±0.3mm

Pre-travel

Transcripts

Duration: 16m 14s
Erez
00m 03s
Hello and welcome to Tisha Talks Switches. I'm Erez from ZSA and with me here today is Tisha, our resident switch expert and support lead. How are you today, Tisha?
Hello and welcome to Tisha Talks Switches. I'm Erez from ZSA and with me here today is Tisha, our resident switch expert and support lead. How are you today, Tisha?
Tisha
00m 09s
Hi, I'm doing okay. How are you?
Hi, I'm doing okay. How are you?
Erez
00m 10s
Good, good. Can't complain. Well, I can complain-
Good, good. Can't complain. Well, I can complain-
Tisha
00m 12s
[laughs] Right.
[laughs] Right.
Erez
00m 12s
'Cause it is actually a bit cloudy and rainy, but not too bad. I mean, all in all, I'm happy.
'Cause it is actually a bit cloudy and rainy, but not too bad. I mean, all in all, I'm happy.
Tisha
00m 16s
Sure. It's like five million degrees here. So-
Sure. It's like five million degrees here. So-
Erez
00m 18s
[laughs]
[laughs]
Tisha
00m 19s
[laughs] Uh, definitely worth complaining about, but yeah. Other than that, I guess everything's okay [laughs].
[laughs] Uh, definitely worth complaining about, but yeah. Other than that, I guess everything's okay [laughs].
Erez
00m 22s
That's good. That's good. So, White.
That's good. That's good. So, White.
Tisha
00m 25s
Yeah.
Yeah.
Erez
00m 25s
What switches are we gonna talk about today?
What switches are we gonna talk about today?
Tisha
00m 26s
Well, we're really only going to talk, in detail, about one. Which is the Kailh Box White. We used to carry two White switches. The other one being, as you might be able to guess, Cherry MX White, but Cherry discontinued that switch, so we no longer carry it either [laughs]. There are keyboards out there, of ours, that have this switch, so, if anyone is familiar with it and maybe wants to compare it to the Kailh Box White, we can talk a little bit about it. It was a kinda slightly heavier, maybe medium-weight, clicky switch with a muted-sounding, kinda lower-pitched click.
Well, we're really only going to talk, in detail, about one. Which is the Kailh Box White. We used to carry two White switches. The other one being, as you might be able to guess, Cherry MX White, but Cherry discontinued that switch, so we no longer carry it either [laughs]. There are keyboards out there, of ours, that have this switch, so, if anyone is familiar with it and maybe wants to compare it to the Kailh Box White, we can talk a little bit about it. It was a kinda slightly heavier, maybe medium-weight, clicky switch with a muted-sounding, kinda lower-pitched click.
Erez
00m 51s
Mm-hmm [affirmative].
Mm-hmm [affirmative].
Tisha
00m 51s
Than something like a Cherry MX Blue, for example. But, yeah. It isn't being made anymore and, confusingly, there also is a switch called Cherry MX Nature White. Which was something different.
Than something like a Cherry MX Blue, for example. But, yeah. It isn't being made anymore and, confusingly, there also is a switch called Cherry MX Nature White. Which was something different.
Erez
01m 01s
Nature White?
Nature White?
Tisha
01m 02s
Yes [laughs].
Yes [laughs].
Erez
01m 02s
So, basically the type of switch that you'd just find, like, in the woods. In the wild.
So, basically the type of switch that you'd just find, like, in the woods. In the wild.
Tisha
01m 05s
Yeah, I guess so. Maybe they grew on some sort of tree [laughs].
Yeah, I guess so. Maybe they grew on some sort of tree [laughs].
Erez
01m 07s
Mm-hmm [affirmative]. Mm-hmm [affirmative].
Mm-hmm [affirmative]. Mm-hmm [affirmative].
Tisha
01m 07s
I think Cherry also may have discontinued those as well. I am not really sure. Now, I guess it's been a little while since I've looked, but the last time I looked, the information about Cherry MX Nature White was not very conclusive [laughs].
I think Cherry also may have discontinued those as well. I am not really sure. Now, I guess it's been a little while since I've looked, but the last time I looked, the information about Cherry MX Nature White was not very conclusive [laughs].
Erez
01m 17s
Interesting.
Interesting.
Tisha
01m 17s
Yeah. So, I think that Cherry is not making a switch with "white" in its name right now.
Yeah. So, I think that Cherry is not making a switch with "white" in its name right now.
Erez
01m 22s
I think my favorite piece of trivia on the MX White is that, in Asia, it used to be called Milk. Apparently, they called the MX Clear, "White" in Asia. So, then they ended up calling the White, "Milk."
I think my favorite piece of trivia on the MX White is that, in Asia, it used to be called Milk. Apparently, they called the MX Clear, "White" in Asia. So, then they ended up calling the White, "Milk."
Tisha
01m 32s
Oh, interesting.
Oh, interesting.
Erez
01m 33s
[laughs]
[laughs]
Tisha
01m 33s
I mean, it was confusing no matter what because you had White and Clear, in English-speaking and just maybe outside of Asia. But both of them had, basically, white stems [laughs].
I mean, it was confusing no matter what because you had White and Clear, in English-speaking and just maybe outside of Asia. But both of them had, basically, white stems [laughs].
Erez
01m 40s
Right.
Right.
Tisha
01m 40s
You had to look at them really closely to tell them apart.
You had to look at them really closely to tell them apart.
Erez
01m 42s
Yeah, like, I think the White, the MX White, aka "Milk", had, like, a little nub or something. Like, a teeny-tiny protrusion, I think. On the stem or something. Anyways...
Yeah, like, I think the White, the MX White, aka "Milk", had, like, a little nub or something. Like, a teeny-tiny protrusion, I think. On the stem or something. Anyways...
Tisha
01m 49s
Oh, you could be right. All I know is that the Clear was, like, slightly more translucent-looking. [laughs] Anyway, also if you buy the switch sample pack, the "variety pack" of switches for us, I believe that the ones that are available right now still do have a Cherry MX White switch in them. 'Cause we put those variety packs together when we still had stock of Cherry MX White switches. So, that may be a little confusing for some people. Sorry about that [laughs].
Oh, you could be right. All I know is that the Clear was, like, slightly more translucent-looking. [laughs] Anyway, also if you buy the switch sample pack, the "variety pack" of switches for us, I believe that the ones that are available right now still do have a Cherry MX White switch in them. 'Cause we put those variety packs together when we still had stock of Cherry MX White switches. So, that may be a little confusing for some people. Sorry about that [laughs].
Erez
02m 09s
Or a way to get your hands on a vintage switch.
Or a way to get your hands on a vintage switch.
Tisha
02m 11s
That's true. Maybe you could sell it on eBay for, like, $500.
That's true. Maybe you could sell it on eBay for, like, $500.
Erez
02m 14s
[laughs]
[laughs]
Tisha
02m 14s
I don't know. Please do not quote me on that [laughs].
I don't know. Please do not quote me on that [laughs].
Erez
02m 16s
[laughs] So, really what's available now is the Box White. The Kailh Box White.
[laughs] So, really what's available now is the Box White. The Kailh Box White.
Tisha
02m 19s
Yes. Yes.
Yes. Yes.
Erez
02m 20s
So what sort of switch is that?
So what sort of switch is that?
Tisha
02m 21s
Well, it also is a clicky switch. We kind of describe it as having a muted click. It is a sort of light/medium weight switch. I believe its force rating is the same as Cherry MX Brown and Kailh Box Brown? Although, it, you know, it feels different. As, you know, as it would, 'cause it's a different type of switch. So, it's not heavy, but not super light and it's clicky, but not particularly loud. Those are the basics.
Well, it also is a clicky switch. We kind of describe it as having a muted click. It is a sort of light/medium weight switch. I believe its force rating is the same as Cherry MX Brown and Kailh Box Brown? Although, it, you know, it feels different. As, you know, as it would, 'cause it's a different type of switch. So, it's not heavy, but not super light and it's clicky, but not particularly loud. Those are the basics.
Erez
02m 41s
Mm-hmm [affirmative]. Mm-hmm [affirmative].
Mm-hmm [affirmative]. Mm-hmm [affirmative].
Tisha
02m 42s
It's a Box switch, so it's got the little box around the stem and it is an RGB switch. So, it's available for Moonlander and for the Glow keyboards. But, because it's a Box switch, it's not available for the ErgoDox EZ Original or Shine or for the Planck EZ without backlighting, because of keycap compatibility issues.
It's a Box switch, so it's got the little box around the stem and it is an RGB switch. So, it's available for Moonlander and for the Glow keyboards. But, because it's a Box switch, it's not available for the ErgoDox EZ Original or Shine or for the Planck EZ without backlighting, because of keycap compatibility issues.
Erez
03m 00s
Right. You know, speaking of the general Box design. When doing a bit of research for this episode I came across the Kono website. Kono.store. It's-
Right. You know, speaking of the general Box design. When doing a bit of research for this episode I came across the Kono website. Kono.store. It's-
Tisha
03m 05s
Mm-hmm [affirmative].
Mm-hmm [affirmative].
Erez
03m 05s
They sell nice mechanical keyboards.
They sell nice mechanical keyboards.
Tisha
03m 06s
Mm-hmm [affirmative].
Mm-hmm [affirmative].
Erez
03m 06s
And they sell some loose Box White switches and I really like their copy. They say here... And I guess this goes for all box switches. It says, "The slider design and sealed contacts provide superior contaminant protection." You know, like, it sounds very hardcore.
And they sell some loose Box White switches and I really like their copy. They say here... And I guess this goes for all box switches. It says, "The slider design and sealed contacts provide superior contaminant protection." You know, like, it sounds very hardcore.
Tisha
03m 16s
Yeah [laughs].
Yeah [laughs].
Erez
03m 16s
"If liquids or dust somehow penetrate a switch, lower housing vents and a slider drainage port eject the unwanted substances." I like that. I don't know, that's a piece of copy that I like.
"If liquids or dust somehow penetrate a switch, lower housing vents and a slider drainage port eject the unwanted substances." I like that. I don't know, that's a piece of copy that I like.
Tisha
03m 23s
[laughs] Yeah.
[laughs] Yeah.
Erez
03m 24s
And it makes me feel good about Box switches. Like, man, like, those are very serious switches.
And it makes me feel good about Box switches. Like, man, like, those are very serious switches.
Tisha
03m 27s
Right.
Right.
Erez
03m 27s
So...
So...
Tisha
03m 27s
Yeah, that's cool. I guess the one thing that would worry me a little bit about that, the eject part, is that where it's gonna eject stuff, is, like, right onto your PCB.
Yeah, that's cool. I guess the one thing that would worry me a little bit about that, the eject part, is that where it's gonna eject stuff, is, like, right onto your PCB.
Erez
03m 33s
[laughs]
[laughs]
Tisha
03m 35s
[laughs]
[laughs]
Erez
03m 35s
That- that is a fair point. Yes, it will eject it onto the circuit board.
That- that is a fair point. Yes, it will eject it onto the circuit board.
Tisha
03m 37s
Right. So, I wouldn't count on them to protect your keyboard from spills, but the switches themselves are gonna be a little more resilient, I guess. It's how I might think about it.
Right. So, I wouldn't count on them to protect your keyboard from spills, but the switches themselves are gonna be a little more resilient, I guess. It's how I might think about it.
Erez
03m 45s
Right. Which, actually, I mean, if you catch a spill on time, it does allow you to quickly, you know, pop everything off, open the housing and just wipe down the circuit board and maybe you'll be okay. Like, some people have done that, right?
Right. Which, actually, I mean, if you catch a spill on time, it does allow you to quickly, you know, pop everything off, open the housing and just wipe down the circuit board and maybe you'll be okay. Like, some people have done that, right?
Tisha
03m 52s
Right. Right. Or just, like, everyday dust. They probably are better protected from, you know, just everyday dust and stuff that totally does get onto and into your keyboard. And, your minor, like, little drips and stuff that- that happen.
Right. Right. Or just, like, everyday dust. They probably are better protected from, you know, just everyday dust and stuff that totally does get onto and into your keyboard. And, your minor, like, little drips and stuff that- that happen.
Erez
04m 00s
Cat hair proof.
Cat hair proof.
Tisha
04m 01s
Oh my goodness. Yeah.
Oh my goodness. Yeah.
Erez
04m 02s
[laughs]
[laughs]
Tisha
04m 02s
[laughs]
[laughs]
Erez
04m 04s
Okay. This, like, this kind of level of environmental protection goes to all Box switches, like we said.
Okay. This, like, this kind of level of environmental protection goes to all Box switches, like we said.
Tisha
04m 06s
Mm-hmm [affirmative].
Mm-hmm [affirmative].
Erez
04m 06s
But if we go back to the White-
But if we go back to the White-
Tisha
04m 08s
Mm-hmm [affirmative].
Mm-hmm [affirmative].
Erez
04m 08s
So, I guess I almost always ask this. Who is a good candidate for a Box White switch? Like, who should think about maybe getting one or trying one out?
So, I guess I almost always ask this. Who is a good candidate for a Box White switch? Like, who should think about maybe getting one or trying one out?
Tisha
04m 14s
I tend to kind of think of them as sitting between one of the Brown switches and the Cherry MX Blue because they're clicky, which the Blue switch is, but they're not as loud. And they're lower-pitched. So, if you think you might like something clicky, but maybe a somewhat more officemate/housemate-friendly click [laughs]. This might be a good option. Or if you're thinking, "I like the sound of a tactile switch like a Brown switch, but I want something [laughs] just a little bit more." You know. "I want something just a little extra."
I tend to kind of think of them as sitting between one of the Brown switches and the Cherry MX Blue because they're clicky, which the Blue switch is, but they're not as loud. And they're lower-pitched. So, if you think you might like something clicky, but maybe a somewhat more officemate/housemate-friendly click [laughs]. This might be a good option. Or if you're thinking, "I like the sound of a tactile switch like a Brown switch, but I want something [laughs] just a little bit more." You know. "I want something just a little extra."
Erez
04m 36s
Right. Although, these would be lighter than the Brown, right? In terms of, like, the actual actuation force?
Right. Although, these would be lighter than the Brown, right? In terms of, like, the actual actuation force?
Tisha
04m 40s
They might be rated so, but to me, they feel just the tiniest bit heavier than the Kailh Box Brown which might be just because of the clicker.
They might be rated so, but to me, they feel just the tiniest bit heavier than the Kailh Box Brown which might be just because of the clicker.
Erez
04m 48s
Yeah.
Yeah.
Tisha
04m 48s
I don't know if they have a bar or a leaf or, you know, what mechanism they use. But, you know, there's-
I don't know if they have a bar or a leaf or, you know, what mechanism they use. But, you know, there's-
Erez
04m 50s
I think it's a bar.
I think it's a bar.
Tisha
04m 51s
Right. So there's another little something in there, probably just adding a tiny bit more resistance. And I think that the bump on the Kailh Box White feels just a tiny bit firmer than the Kailh Box Brown.
Right. So there's another little something in there, probably just adding a tiny bit more resistance. And I think that the bump on the Kailh Box White feels just a tiny bit firmer than the Kailh Box Brown.
Erez
05m 01s
Mm-hmm [affirmative].
Mm-hmm [affirmative].
Tisha
05m 02s
So, yeah.
So, yeah.
Erez
05m 02s
So, if I like the idea of having a clicky switch, but maybe my, like you said, my officemates or housemates are not excited about the idea-
So, if I like the idea of having a clicky switch, but maybe my, like you said, my officemates or housemates are not excited about the idea-
Tisha
05m 07s
[laughs]
[laughs]
Erez
05m 08s
Then it would be a good switch to, kind of almost a compromise.
Then it would be a good switch to, kind of almost a compromise.
Tisha
05m 10s
Yeah.
Yeah.
Erez
05m 10s
Mm-hmm [affirmative].
Mm-hmm [affirmative].
Tisha
05m 11s
Yeah. If the people that you share a space with really want things quiet, then maybe not [laughs]. But, if you think going, say, one step above, in noise level. One step above a standard tactile switch, then this might be a good choice. I might think of, say, a Blue switch compared to a Brown switch, as being two or three steps in noise level to use a shaky metaphor [laughs]. There's quite a bit of difference. There's less difference between the Kailh Box White and a tactile switch in noise level.
Yeah. If the people that you share a space with really want things quiet, then maybe not [laughs]. But, if you think going, say, one step above, in noise level. One step above a standard tactile switch, then this might be a good choice. I might think of, say, a Blue switch compared to a Brown switch, as being two or three steps in noise level to use a shaky metaphor [laughs]. There's quite a bit of difference. There's less difference between the Kailh Box White and a tactile switch in noise level.
Erez
05m 33s
Right. And so, going back to the tactility of it. So-
Right. And so, going back to the tactility of it. So-
Tisha
05m 36s
Mm-hmm [affirmative].
Mm-hmm [affirmative].
Erez
05m 36s
If I understand correctly, you say that, as a result, maybe as a result of having a click bar-
If I understand correctly, you say that, as a result, maybe as a result of having a click bar-
Tisha
05m 39s
Mm-hmm [affirmative].
Mm-hmm [affirmative].
Erez
05m 39s
The tactile aspect of it is crisper? Than, let's say, a Brown?
The tactile aspect of it is crisper? Than, let's say, a Brown?
Tisha
05m 42s
Yeah. A little bit.
Yeah. A little bit.
Erez
05m 43s
Mm-hmm [affirmative]. Mm-hmm [affirmative].
Mm-hmm [affirmative]. Mm-hmm [affirmative].
Tisha
05m 43s
It's not a huge difference, but it's a little difference.
It's not a huge difference, but it's a little difference.
Erez
05m 45s
Do you have a board with, or some Box Whites on hand?
Do you have a board with, or some Box Whites on hand?
Tisha
05m 47s
I do, yeah. I don't know if you can hear this, but this is a Kailh Box Brown.
I do, yeah. I don't know if you can hear this, but this is a Kailh Box Brown.
Erez
05m 49s
Mm-hmm [affirmative].
Mm-hmm [affirmative].
Tisha
05m 51s
And this is the Box White.
And this is the Box White.
Erez
05m 53s
Oh, interesting. So, the click is actually very subtle. You know-
Oh, interesting. So, the click is actually very subtle. You know-
Tisha
05m 55s
Yeah.
Yeah.
Erez
05m 56s
Had you played that to me and said, "Is that a clicky switch?" I don't even know if I would say, "Yes, it's clicky." Like, it really blends in there.
Had you played that to me and said, "Is that a clicky switch?" I don't even know if I would say, "Yes, it's clicky." Like, it really blends in there.
Tisha
06m 00s
Yeah. It really does. It's maybe just a little bit louder. A little bit louder tactile.
Yeah. It really does. It's maybe just a little bit louder. A little bit louder tactile.
Erez
06m 04s
Mm-hmm [affirmative].
Mm-hmm [affirmative].
Tisha
06m 04s
If you really listen you can... kinda hear that. It's almost more like a crunch than a click. I think typing on it quickly, it's almost more like the sound of walking on gravel.
If you really listen you can... kinda hear that. It's almost more like a crunch than a click. I think typing on it quickly, it's almost more like the sound of walking on gravel.
Erez
06m 15s
Interesting. So it's not very high-pitched.
Interesting. So it's not very high-pitched.
Tisha
06m 16s
Right. Right. So, here's blue. Which has that kind of ticky sound.
Right. Right. So, here's blue. Which has that kind of ticky sound.
Erez
06m 22s
Mm-hmm [affirmative].
Mm-hmm [affirmative].
Tisha
06m 22s
And White.
And White.
Erez
06m 23s
Oh, definitely lower-pitched.
Oh, definitely lower-pitched.
Tisha
06m 24s
Right. I'll always say this when we play the sounds of switches: this is how they sound in my keyboards, on my desk, in my room, under my fingers. All of those elements are gonna be different for you. I would use these sounds that you hear as general guidelines, but I would expect things to sound different for you. Because they're gonna be used differently. Your environment and your use is gonna be a bit different than mine. Or maybe a lot different.
Right. I'll always say this when we play the sounds of switches: this is how they sound in my keyboards, on my desk, in my room, under my fingers. All of those elements are gonna be different for you. I would use these sounds that you hear as general guidelines, but I would expect things to sound different for you. Because they're gonna be used differently. Your environment and your use is gonna be a bit different than mine. Or maybe a lot different.
Erez
06m 41s
Makes sense.
Makes sense.
Tisha
06m 41s
Yeah.
Yeah.
Erez
06m 42s
I have to say, you know, I've never given the Box White switches very serious thought. Like, this is the first time I've been really considering them since we've decided to start offering them, of course, when I first looked at them.
I have to say, you know, I've never given the Box White switches very serious thought. Like, this is the first time I've been really considering them since we've decided to start offering them, of course, when I first looked at them.
Tisha
06m 49s
Mm-hmm [affirmative].
Mm-hmm [affirmative].
Erez
06m 50s
And this is gonna make me wanna try them out. Maybe I'll, [laughs] maybe I'll outfit a board with Box Whites. I mean it's a nice switch. Like, something that's clicky, but not too demanding and that maybe is okay for a call, even. Possibly. Like, to be typing on while you're on a call. That sounds pretty good.
And this is gonna make me wanna try them out. Maybe I'll, [laughs] maybe I'll outfit a board with Box Whites. I mean it's a nice switch. Like, something that's clicky, but not too demanding and that maybe is okay for a call, even. Possibly. Like, to be typing on while you're on a call. That sounds pretty good.
Tisha
07m 00s
Right. I would say, if you're on a call and your microphone isn't, like, right by your keyboard, then, yeah. Might not be too bad. Like, I'm using a headset mic right now. Not one sitting on my desk. I'm at a standing desk. So, I'm standing above the keyboard, the microphone is right in front of my face [laughs] and if I don't put it any closer to the keyboard and just press the switch. I mean, clearly you're gonna hear that, but maybe it's not so loud that it, I- I don't know. What do you think?
Right. I would say, if you're on a call and your microphone isn't, like, right by your keyboard, then, yeah. Might not be too bad. Like, I'm using a headset mic right now. Not one sitting on my desk. I'm at a standing desk. So, I'm standing above the keyboard, the microphone is right in front of my face [laughs] and if I don't put it any closer to the keyboard and just press the switch. I mean, clearly you're gonna hear that, but maybe it's not so loud that it, I- I don't know. What do you think?
Erez
07m 19s
Yeah. You know, it's, that's an interesting point. I think, in general, with regards to typing sounds while on calls. Because, if they're not too loud, it almost connotes, like, "Oh, I'm being productive." You know?
Yeah. You know, it's, that's an interesting point. I think, in general, with regards to typing sounds while on calls. Because, if they're not too loud, it almost connotes, like, "Oh, I'm being productive." You know?
Tisha
07m 26s
[laughs]
[laughs]
Erez
07m 26s
Like, "I'm- I'm taking notes-"
Like, "I'm- I'm taking notes-"
Tisha
07m 27s
[laughs] Exactly.
[laughs] Exactly.
Erez
07m 27s
And, "I'm engaged."
And, "I'm engaged."
Tisha
07m 28s
Right.
Right.
Erez
07m 29s
And then, if it's, like, super loud. It's "I'm derailing the call." [laughs]
And then, if it's, like, super loud. It's "I'm derailing the call." [laughs]
Tisha
07m 31s
Right, exactly [laughs]. Depending on who else is on the call for you, or whatever, it could also connote, you know, "I'm posting to Twitter." But, you know, but who knows. [laughs]
Right, exactly [laughs]. Depending on who else is on the call for you, or whatever, it could also connote, you know, "I'm posting to Twitter." But, you know, but who knows. [laughs]
Erez
07m 37s
Yeah.
Yeah.
Tisha
07m 37s
But yeah. I think, I think it's a really nice-feeling switch and I kinda think that if you're wavering between tactile and clicky, then it might be something to think about. You get a little bit of the best of both worlds and a little bit less of some of the downsides. Like, some clicky switches are really pretty firm. Pretty heavy. Which some people really like and other people don't. This is a clicky switch that is really not heavy.
But yeah. I think, I think it's a really nice-feeling switch and I kinda think that if you're wavering between tactile and clicky, then it might be something to think about. You get a little bit of the best of both worlds and a little bit less of some of the downsides. Like, some clicky switches are really pretty firm. Pretty heavy. Which some people really like and other people don't. This is a clicky switch that is really not heavy.
Erez
07m 55s
Right.
Right.
Tisha
07m 55s
You know, And not super loud. I guess if you already know that you like something that feels kinda like a Brown switch this would be an easy transition. I think.
You know, And not super loud. I guess if you already know that you like something that feels kinda like a Brown switch this would be an easy transition. I think.
Erez
08m 01s
That makes sense. I find it interesting that, often the switches that are friendliest to everyday use and are actually the most attractive in practice are not switches that make a statement. I always talk about the Kailh Thick Gold. Which is super duper clicky and I love the sound of that, but really, in the everyday, as we've mentioned, I type on a Silver, which is a very sedate type of key, right?
That makes sense. I find it interesting that, often the switches that are friendliest to everyday use and are actually the most attractive in practice are not switches that make a statement. I always talk about the Kailh Thick Gold. Which is super duper clicky and I love the sound of that, but really, in the everyday, as we've mentioned, I type on a Silver, which is a very sedate type of key, right?
Tisha
08m 17s
Right.
Right.
Erez
08m 18s
So, to me, it's just, it's interesting, because in tech, I think in general, we tend to go for the big, bold statements. You know, everything has to be cranked up to 11.
So, to me, it's just, it's interesting, because in tech, I think in general, we tend to go for the big, bold statements. You know, everything has to be cranked up to 11.
Tisha
08m 26s
[laughs] Right.
[laughs] Right.
Erez
08m 27s
But then when it comes to an object that you touch, and type on millions of characters, or more, I don't know. Then suddenly, that kind of brashness is less helpful. Like, you might want something that's a little bit more laid-back, that's a little less dramatic. Right? And I see that in the switches, in the sense that you read the spec or you even talk about the switch and it sounds a little bit boring, but then you use it and it's just a joy to use.
But then when it comes to an object that you touch, and type on millions of characters, or more, I don't know. Then suddenly, that kind of brashness is less helpful. Like, you might want something that's a little bit more laid-back, that's a little less dramatic. Right? And I see that in the switches, in the sense that you read the spec or you even talk about the switch and it sounds a little bit boring, but then you use it and it's just a joy to use.
Tisha
08m 42s
Right. As you were saying that, I was kind of thinking about cars. Like, if you have a family. Say, you have, you and your partner and a couple of kids. It's like, "Oh, do I really want a minivan? They're so boring." But you know what? [laughs] If you are packing in some kids and maybe their friends and maybe a couple of dogs and stuff. Your two-seater sports car might be really fun for some day trips, some nice outings, but for hauling the kids back and forth to school and to practice and to friends' houses and stuff, that minivan works... that's your workhorse [laughs].
Right. As you were saying that, I was kind of thinking about cars. Like, if you have a family. Say, you have, you and your partner and a couple of kids. It's like, "Oh, do I really want a minivan? They're so boring." But you know what? [laughs] If you are packing in some kids and maybe their friends and maybe a couple of dogs and stuff. Your two-seater sports car might be really fun for some day trips, some nice outings, but for hauling the kids back and forth to school and to practice and to friends' houses and stuff, that minivan works... that's your workhorse [laughs].
Erez
09m 04s
Right. Yeah, no I get that. Although, I will say, if we're going minivan, like, to me, the minivan of keyswitches is the Brown.
Right. Yeah, no I get that. Although, I will say, if we're going minivan, like, to me, the minivan of keyswitches is the Brown.
Tisha
09m 08s
Sure.
Sure.
Erez
09m 08s
Like, that would be the workhorse. I don't know what car the MX White would be- the Box White would be [laughs].
Like, that would be the workhorse. I don't know what car the MX White would be- the Box White would be [laughs].
Tisha
09m 12s
Maybe it's a plug-in electric minivan [laughs].
Maybe it's a plug-in electric minivan [laughs].
Erez
09m 14s
[laughs] It's got utility, but maybe a little bit more.
[laughs] It's got utility, but maybe a little bit more.
Tisha
09m 16s
Right. Right.
Right. Right.
Erez
09m 17s
I like it.
I like it.
Tisha
09m 18s
[laughs]
[laughs]
Erez
09m 18s
Awesome.
Awesome.
Tisha
09m 19s
Right. Or, maybe it's getting the 6-cylinder instead of the four [laughs].
Right. Or, maybe it's getting the 6-cylinder instead of the four [laughs].
Erez
09m 21s
[laughs]
[laughs]
Tisha
09m 22s
So, I think it's kind of a fun switch, as you were saying, not as flashy and extreme and up-to-eleven as some of the really clicky or, you know, super tactile or super heavy switches. It's a good, everyday switch for heavy use, I think. If you still kinda want a little bit of a click.
So, I think it's kind of a fun switch, as you were saying, not as flashy and extreme and up-to-eleven as some of the really clicky or, you know, super tactile or super heavy switches. It's a good, everyday switch for heavy use, I think. If you still kinda want a little bit of a click.
Erez
09m 35s
That makes sense. Awesome.
That makes sense. Awesome.
Tisha
09m 36s
Yeah.
Yeah.
Erez
09m 36s
Anything else we wanna say about the Box White?
Anything else we wanna say about the Box White?
Tisha
09m 38s
I think that pretty much covers it.
I think that pretty much covers it.
Erez
09m 39s
Sounds good. Well thank you very much, then. I guess we'll talk again on the next one.
Sounds good. Well thank you very much, then. I guess we'll talk again on the next one.
Tisha
09m 41s
Sure. Thank you.
Sure. Thank you.
Erez
09m 42s
[laughs] Talk soon.
[laughs] Talk soon.
Tisha
09m 43s
Mm-hmm [affirmative]. Bye-bye.
Mm-hmm [affirmative]. Bye-bye.
Erez
09m 43s
Bye.
Bye.