Clear

Hello, and welcome to Tisha Talks Switches. 2 00:00:08,189 --> 00:00:14,059 I'm Erez from ZSA, and with me here today is Tisha, our resident switch expert and Support Lead. 3 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:15,419 How are things, Tisha? 4 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:16,379 Tisha: Hi, there. 5 00:00:16,410 --> 00:00:17,169 Uh, pretty good. 6 00:00:17,219 --> 00:00:21,230 Kind of rainy here around Chicago, but, oh, it's okay. 7 00:00:21,420 --> 00:00:23,380 At least it's not a million degrees outside. 8 00:00:24,080 --> 00:00:24,950 Erez: I hear, I hear. 9 00:00:24,950 --> 00:00:29,800 Here it's cloudy in southern Ontario, but cloudy but not cool. 10 00:00:29,860 --> 00:00:32,070 Like I can walk around with a t-shirt, so it's nice. 11 00:00:32,340 --> 00:00:32,690 Tisha: Oh. 12 00:00:33,010 --> 00:00:36,220 [laughs] Yeah, it doesn't sound nice to me. 13 00:00:36,220 --> 00:00:36,549 [laughs] 14 00:00:36,879 --> 00:00:38,225 Erez: It's not like hot, but it's- 15 00:00:38,310 --> 00:00:38,590 Tisha: Right. 16 00:00:38,630 --> 00:00:39,200 ... Erez: perfect weather. 17 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:40,470 It's like in the 20s I think. 18 00:00:40,470 --> 00:00:41,210 It's really nice. 19 00:00:41,310 --> 00:00:41,770 Tisha: Okay. 20 00:00:41,940 --> 00:00:42,550 Um, a little- 21 00:00:42,550 --> 00:00:43,370 Erez: Celsius that is. 22 00:00:43,370 --> 00:00:43,630 Tisha: Right. 23 00:00:43,630 --> 00:00:45,140 Yeah, a little bit of mental math here. 24 00:00:45,570 --> 00:00:45,960 Okay, okay. 25 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:46,000 Erez: [laughs] 26 00:00:46,089 --> 00:00:49,129 Tisha: I think that I've determined that I really like the upper teens. 27 00:00:49,899 --> 00:00:50,229 Erez: Hm. 28 00:00:50,619 --> 00:00:52,077 Oh, that's, that's chilly, yeah. 29 00:00:52,077 --> 00:00:53,120 Tisha: It's co- it's cool, right. 30 00:00:53,180 --> 00:00:57,490 But, and I also like the upper teens Fahrenheit because I like actual cold, but... 31 00:00:59,063 --> 00:00:59,103 [ laughs] 32 00:00:59,103 --> 00:00:59,348 Erez: That's funny. 33 00:00:59,443 --> 00:01:05,543 I was talking to an Israeli relative recently and they were somewhere and it was, I think, 17 Celsius or something. 34 00:01:05,543 --> 00:01:07,193 They're like, "Wow, it's really cold." 35 00:01:07,753 --> 00:01:07,793 Tisha: [laughs] 36 00:01:08,063 --> 00:01:08,533 Erez: Okay. 37 00:01:08,763 --> 00:01:10,023 Okay, cool, cool. 38 00:01:10,643 --> 00:01:10,963 Tisha: Right. 39 00:01:11,303 --> 00:01:25,626 I have some relatives in California and, uh, you know, I know we have a lot of listeners who use Celsius and my mental conversion is not great, so if I say, you know, it's in the 60s Fahrenheit. 40 00:01:25,946 --> 00:01:29,336 So let's say less than 20 Celsius probably, right? 41 00:01:29,336 --> 00:01:29,490 Erez: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 42 00:01:29,566 --> 00:01:29,976 Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 43 00:01:30,036 --> 00:01:32,000 Tisha: "Oh, and we had to wear coats, so it was so cold. 44 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:32,133 [crosstalk] 45 00:01:32,266 --> 00:01:33,456 ." Erez: [laughs] Right, right. 46 00:01:33,716 --> 00:01:34,946 Tisha: Like dude, that is... 47 00:01:36,386 --> 00:01:36,733 [laughs] that's [crosstalk] 48 00:01:36,733 --> 00:01:44,333 - Erez: But the thing is- like when you, when you're in that climate, it really does feel that way because your body gets used to whatever, you know, temperature it's in, right? 49 00:01:44,333 --> 00:01:48,143 So it, it really 17 Celsius, it really feels cold all of the sudden, you know what I mean? 50 00:01:48,143 --> 00:01:48,220 Tisha: [laughs] 51 00:01:48,220 --> 00:01:48,913 Erez: It, it really does. 52 00:01:48,923 --> 00:01:49,123 Tisha: Totally. 53 00:01:49,403 --> 00:01:50,173 Right, right. 54 00:01:50,453 --> 00:01:57,263 But, and if you're in the Midwest, and I think the same goes for you know, the middle of Canada where you've got these extremes, I don't know. 55 00:01:57,313 --> 00:02:02,483 You don't really get used to anything in particular 'cause it's hot, hot, hot in the summer, and cold, cold, cold in the winter. 56 00:02:02,733 --> 00:02:03,293 Erez: That's true. 57 00:02:03,533 --> 00:02:04,363 Tisha: Everything in between. 58 00:02:04,753 --> 00:02:06,553 Erez: Yeah, I love that about southern Ontario. 59 00:02:06,753 --> 00:02:08,803 Like the, the seasons are real. 60 00:02:09,223 --> 00:02:09,433 Tisha: Right. 61 00:02:09,433 --> 00:02:09,568 [laughs] 62 00:02:09,568 --> 00:02:09,838 Erez: Like exactly. 63 00:02:09,973 --> 00:02:12,173 Like summer is summer and winter is winter. 64 00:02:12,173 --> 00:02:12,903 It's very nice. 65 00:02:13,193 --> 00:02:13,603 Tisha: Right. 66 00:02:14,166 --> 00:02:14,206 [ laughs] 67 00:02:14,526 --> 00:02:14,906 Erez: Cool. 68 00:02:14,916 --> 00:02:19,056 So we are gathered here today to talk about Cherry MX Clear- 69 00:02:19,676 --> 00:02:20,086 Tisha: Yeah. 70 00:02:20,196 --> 00:02:24,916 ... Erez: which is a pretty exotic switch as these things go, I think, right? 71 00:02:25,296 --> 00:02:26,246 Tisha: Yeah, it is. 72 00:02:26,314 --> 00:02:29,144 It's almost a specialty switch- [laughs] 73 00:02:29,144 --> 00:02:29,329 Erez: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 74 00:02:29,504 --> 00:02:30,974 ... Tisha: I guess, I would call it. 75 00:02:31,054 --> 00:02:40,714 It's kinda hard to call anything that Cherry makes specialty 'cause I guess that would be like calling something that Google offered specialty or something [laughs] Microsoft offered spe... 76 00:02:40,854 --> 00:02:43,627 You know, but it's not a Honda Civic. 77 00:02:44,697 --> 00:02:45,217 Erez: Yeah, yeah. 78 00:02:45,217 --> 00:02:48,477 To be fair, Google does offer some really niche and weird stuff. 79 00:02:48,477 --> 00:02:51,527 Like ever hear of AppSheet or like stuff like that? 80 00:02:51,707 --> 00:02:52,747 I think that's what they call it. 81 00:02:52,777 --> 00:02:56,387 They have these weird products that like five people use and then they discontinue them. 82 00:02:56,387 --> 00:02:56,517 Tisha: [laughs] 83 00:02:56,647 --> 00:02:58,517 Erez: So actually Google does- 84 00:02:58,517 --> 00:02:58,527 Tisha: [crosstalk] 85 00:02:59,097 --> 00:03:01,287 . ... Erez: does do like niche stuff I think. 86 00:03:01,507 --> 00:03:01,957 Tisha: Right. 87 00:03:02,157 --> 00:03:03,077 Yeah, sure. 88 00:03:03,177 --> 00:03:06,247 Years ago they had Google Reader which I really liked, and so [crosstalk] 89 00:03:06,247 --> 00:03:07,257 - Erez: That was not niche! 90 00:03:07,427 --> 00:03:09,477 That was great and they should have kept it. 91 00:03:09,477 --> 00:03:09,597 Tisha: [laughs] 92 00:03:09,597 --> 00:03:10,217 Erez: Like that, I... 93 00:03:10,237 --> 00:03:12,007 That was a terrible decision to stop that. 94 00:03:12,007 --> 00:03:12,017 Tisha: Right. 95 00:03:12,027 --> 00:03:13,417 Erez: That was a great product. 96 00:03:13,717 --> 00:03:15,667 Tisha: I mean, to hear them talk about it, it was niche. 97 00:03:15,667 --> 00:03:15,992 [inaudible]. 98 00:03:16,317 --> 00:03:17,187 No one uses this. 99 00:03:17,277 --> 00:03:18,587 We're gonna discontinue, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 100 00:03:18,767 --> 00:03:18,787 Erez: Yeah. 101 00:03:18,787 --> 00:03:19,427 Tisha: So, okay. 102 00:03:19,857 --> 00:03:19,897 Erez: [laughs] 103 00:03:19,897 --> 00:03:24,837 Tisha: Uh, for, for this, this is kinda one of my... 104 00:03:24,907 --> 00:03:25,477 I don't know. 105 00:03:25,807 --> 00:03:28,843 What's the opposite of pet peeve or the other side of the coin? 106 00:03:28,893 --> 00:03:30,583 This is kind of one of my little things. 107 00:03:30,747 --> 00:03:40,537 After a bunch of searching for something that would replace Google Reader, and I know there are a bunch of things that kind of came into fill that vacated space, I landed on Inoreader. 108 00:03:41,557 --> 00:03:43,337 It's I-N-O reader. 109 00:03:43,347 --> 00:03:43,657 Erez: No way. 110 00:03:43,957 --> 00:03:44,657 I use that, too. 111 00:03:44,667 --> 00:03:44,707 Tisha: Do you? 112 00:03:44,717 --> 00:03:45,457 Erez: That's what I use. 113 00:03:45,457 --> 00:03:46,467 Tisha: Right, which I... 114 00:03:46,507 --> 00:03:49,427 And I've been using it for years now, so like this is my little plug. 115 00:03:49,457 --> 00:03:50,087 I love this. 116 00:03:50,167 --> 00:03:50,887 I love Inoreader. 117 00:03:51,807 --> 00:03:59,257 I pay for their lowest tier, not because I use any of their features but just because, because I could totally get by with free. 118 00:03:59,467 --> 00:03:59,637 I'm not a [crosstalk] 119 00:03:59,637 --> 00:04:00,797 - Erez: Yeah, me, me too. 120 00:04:00,847 --> 00:04:02,177 That's, that's so funny. 121 00:04:02,177 --> 00:04:02,182 Tisha: [laughs] 122 00:04:02,182 --> 00:04:02,983 Erez: I, I didn't know you used that. 123 00:04:02,983 --> 00:04:07,477 That's, that's my RSS reader of choice, and I pay for their lowest tier, too, yeah, for the same reason. 124 00:04:07,677 --> 00:04:07,707 Tisha: Right. 125 00:04:07,717 --> 00:04:09,877 Not a power user, but I just like it so much. 126 00:04:09,877 --> 00:04:10,232 [laughs] 127 00:04:10,587 --> 00:04:12,107 Erez: And their mobile app is pretty good, too. 128 00:04:12,107 --> 00:04:14,272 I mean, it's, it's just a good, good service. 129 00:04:14,427 --> 00:04:15,247 Tisha: Right, it is, yeah. 130 00:04:15,247 --> 00:04:17,017 I don't use that very much, but a little bit. 131 00:04:17,067 --> 00:04:24,357 So yeah, if there's anyone still, after all these years, and I can understand why you might, pining for Google Reader, check out Inoreader. 132 00:04:25,837 --> 00:04:25,877 [laughs] 133 00:04:25,877 --> 00:04:26,787 Erez: It works, totally. 134 00:04:27,097 --> 00:04:27,697 Tisha: Right, yeah. 135 00:04:28,107 --> 00:04:29,807 So that has nothing to do with switches. 136 00:04:29,807 --> 00:04:29,887 Erez: [laughs] 137 00:04:29,887 --> 00:04:30,047 Tisha: But anyway. 138 00:04:30,127 --> 00:04:30,167 [laughs] 139 00:04:30,817 --> 00:04:34,577 Erez: Right, so back to MX Clear which is an odd duck. 140 00:04:34,577 --> 00:04:34,977 Tisha: A little bit. 141 00:04:34,977 --> 00:04:36,337 Erez: Wh- why is it a weird switch? 142 00:04:36,744 --> 00:04:41,324 Tisha: I guess, I don't really know because it's not weird to use. 143 00:04:41,504 --> 00:04:45,894 It's just not, it's one of those that isn't super popular, you know? 144 00:04:45,894 --> 00:04:50,574 It's not a Cherry MX Brown or a Kailh Silver or something like that. 145 00:04:51,094 --> 00:04:54,004 But the people who like it, really like it. 146 00:04:54,250 --> 00:04:54,620 Erez: Right. 147 00:04:55,000 --> 00:05:00,180 Tisha: Maybe one of the reasons that there's less use is that there is not an RGB version. 148 00:05:00,670 --> 00:05:01,395 Erez: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 149 00:05:01,630 --> 00:05:04,060 Tisha: So that does limit it some. 150 00:05:04,590 --> 00:05:06,400 Erez: Yeah, and you can't get it on a Moonlander- 151 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:06,430 Tisha: Right. 152 00:05:06,620 --> 00:05:09,310 ... Erez: or a Planck EZ Glow or ErgoDox EZ Glow. 153 00:05:09,410 --> 00:05:09,710 Yeah. 154 00:05:09,750 --> 00:05:10,610 Tisha: Right, right. 155 00:05:11,020 --> 00:05:14,750 Which I always think is funny that they have this switch called Clear and it's- 156 00:05:14,750 --> 00:05:14,917 Erez: [laughs] 157 00:05:14,917 --> 00:05:17,340 ... Tisha: a very opaque switch. 158 00:05:18,220 --> 00:05:18,260 [laughs] 159 00:05:18,260 --> 00:05:18,290 Erez: Right. 160 00:05:18,290 --> 00:05:20,500 It, it should be the Cherry MX Opaque. 161 00:05:20,530 --> 00:05:20,930 Tisha: Right. 162 00:05:20,930 --> 00:05:22,030 [laughs] It's like, come on guys. 163 00:05:24,020 --> 00:05:24,220 Erez: [laughs] 164 00:05:24,354 --> 00:05:26,014 Tisha: It is, it's heavier. 165 00:05:26,074 --> 00:05:37,264 So it does have, hm, a little bit, although this isn't super accurate, but it's a little bit like a heavier version of Cherry MX Brown, so it's tactile. 166 00:05:37,694 --> 00:05:45,334 And it's got that kind of rounded feeling tactile bump, not a sharp crisp one, but kind of a nice little round hump. 167 00:05:45,794 --> 00:05:45,834 [laughs] 168 00:05:46,164 --> 00:05:47,144 Erez: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 169 00:05:47,434 --> 00:05:54,320 Tisha: Yeah, a little heavier than the Cherry MX Brown, and kind of to go along with that, springier feeling. 170 00:05:54,790 --> 00:06:02,470 You can feel, I think the spring push back against your fingers a little more distinctly than with the Brown. 171 00:06:03,050 --> 00:06:03,450 Erez: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 172 00:06:03,890 --> 00:06:09,100 Tisha: Like it's not like heavy sluggish feeling, but, you feel a little more pushback. 173 00:06:09,777 --> 00:06:12,647 Erez: So in a sense it's more tactile, tactile key. 174 00:06:12,737 --> 00:06:14,147 Like the tactility is like... 175 00:06:14,157 --> 00:06:18,577 It has more oomph to it like in terms of like the, how tactile it is? 176 00:06:18,757 --> 00:06:34,161 Tisha: Somewhat, although it's a very round tactility, so I know that some people when they say more tactile they mean sharper, firmer, almost like it almost stops you. 177 00:06:34,161 --> 00:06:36,721 It almost stops the downward motion of your finger. 178 00:06:37,307 --> 00:06:37,342 This is- 179 00:06:37,342 --> 00:06:39,277 Erez: And then when it lets go, what they mean is- 180 00:06:39,277 --> 00:06:39,407 Tisha: Right. 181 00:06:39,407 --> 00:06:43,917 ... Erez: it can almost stops them, then when it lets go, it lets go suddenly like a sharp drop in the, in the curve. 182 00:06:44,367 --> 00:06:44,747 Tisha: Right. 183 00:06:44,747 --> 00:06:44,837 Erez: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 184 00:06:44,837 --> 00:06:46,067 Tisha: It's like this snap. 185 00:06:46,067 --> 00:06:46,157 Erez: Yep. 186 00:06:46,157 --> 00:06:48,707 Tisha: It's like stretching a rubber band and then letting it go. 187 00:06:48,917 --> 00:06:49,512 Erez: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 188 00:06:49,512 --> 00:06:49,742 Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 189 00:06:49,857 --> 00:06:51,087 Tisha: This isn't like that. 190 00:06:51,357 --> 00:06:52,167 This is... 191 00:06:53,154 --> 00:06:54,694 I don't know if I have an analogy. 192 00:06:54,801 --> 00:07:02,871 Maybe a little bit more like a roller coaster where you kind of go up the hill and then there's a rounded top before you go back down. 193 00:07:03,621 --> 00:07:07,031 Erez: I think the "like a roller coaster" is the most exciting description of a keyswitch- 194 00:07:07,105 --> 00:07:07,247 Tisha: [laughs] 195 00:07:07,247 --> 00:07:10,451 ... Erez: we've had so far ever, like in all the episodes. 196 00:07:10,491 --> 00:07:10,651 Tisha: Maybe. 197 00:07:11,411 --> 00:07:11,891 [laughs] Maybe so. 198 00:07:11,891 --> 00:07:12,861 Erez: So that's amazing. 199 00:07:13,021 --> 00:07:13,541 Tisha: Right. 200 00:07:13,831 --> 00:07:16,871 That might be overselling the excited-ness- 201 00:07:17,091 --> 00:07:17,231 Erez: Right. 202 00:07:17,251 --> 00:07:19,301 ... Tisha: exciting-ness of it. 203 00:07:20,071 --> 00:07:20,111 [laughs] 204 00:07:20,111 --> 00:07:20,241 Erez: Like, "Woo! 205 00:07:21,401 --> 00:07:23,101 I'm tapping my space bar." 206 00:07:24,241 --> 00:07:24,531 Tisha: [laughs] 207 00:07:24,531 --> 00:07:25,371 Erez: Like that, that's awesome. 208 00:07:25,671 --> 00:07:26,151 Tisha: Right. 209 00:07:26,471 --> 00:07:28,171 But, and also there isn't... 210 00:07:28,991 --> 00:07:39,107 The tactile bump is very high on the Clear, so you don't get a bit of easy press, and then hard press, and then easy again. 211 00:07:39,197 --> 00:07:44,577 On the Clears it's more kind of firmer at the top, easier at the bottom. 212 00:07:44,787 --> 00:07:45,847 Erez: Oh. 213 00:07:46,467 --> 00:07:48,237 Tisha: It's got a high tactile bump. 214 00:07:48,697 --> 00:07:49,487 Erez: That's interesting. 215 00:07:49,517 --> 00:07:51,537 That's, that's significant, because... 216 00:07:52,367 --> 00:07:53,197 And, and wait. 217 00:07:53,197 --> 00:07:56,977 So the tactile bump there, is that before it actuates? 218 00:07:57,067 --> 00:08:00,317 Tisha: The start of it is before because of how high the bump is. 219 00:08:00,517 --> 00:08:07,037 Probably the peak, and I guess I should have looked up a force curve, but I did not. 220 00:08:07,387 --> 00:08:13,417 [laughs] But the peak of force required probably is about the same time as the actuation. 221 00:08:13,831 --> 00:08:16,581 Erez: So we don't get too too many false actuations there. 222 00:08:17,131 --> 00:08:19,297 Tisha: If the switch is normal, no. 223 00:08:19,887 --> 00:08:20,697 Erez: Ah, there. 224 00:08:20,707 --> 00:08:21,617 You, you touched actually- 225 00:08:21,617 --> 00:08:21,644 Tisha: [laughs] 226 00:08:21,644 --> 00:08:27,657 ... Erez: on something really interesting about the Clears, which is that they can be super inconsistent, right? 227 00:08:28,197 --> 00:08:28,607 Tisha: Yeah. 228 00:08:28,647 --> 00:08:43,291 I would say it's not common, but it's not unheard of that, for some reason, you know, I don't know what specifically the problem is, but sometimes you get a batch of Clears and a few or several switches out of that batch... 229 00:08:43,391 --> 00:08:45,301 like you barely touch them you'll actuate. 230 00:08:45,671 --> 00:08:46,294 Erez: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 231 00:08:46,294 --> 00:08:48,221 Tisha: It's like as soon as there's any pressure at all. 232 00:08:48,651 --> 00:08:51,497 When it's happened with our keyboards it'd be... 233 00:08:51,497 --> 00:08:56,934 You know, so a keyboard full let's say between 72 and 76... 234 00:08:56,934 --> 00:09:02,647 Well, no, 76, 'cause it's only the ErgoDox not Glow, [ laughs] 10 or fewer. 235 00:09:03,044 --> 00:09:04,454 Erez: And then we replace them, of course. 236 00:09:04,454 --> 00:09:04,774 It'd still be covered. 237 00:09:04,854 --> 00:09:05,119 Tisha: We will, right. 238 00:09:05,119 --> 00:09:05,226 [crosstalk] 239 00:09:05,334 --> 00:09:07,484 . Erez: But it's still annoying when it happens. 240 00:09:07,834 --> 00:09:07,874 That's- 241 00:09:07,884 --> 00:09:08,394 Tisha: Right, it's- 242 00:09:08,394 --> 00:09:10,344 Erez: It's kinda hard to catch in QC. 243 00:09:11,054 --> 00:09:11,954 Tisha: Exactly, yeah. 244 00:09:12,004 --> 00:09:14,114 Because, you know, you press the key and it works. 245 00:09:14,334 --> 00:09:14,629 Erez: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 246 00:09:14,634 --> 00:09:21,194 Tisha: It's just that then maybe you might find you accidentally bumped a key, and then it also works when you don't want it to. 247 00:09:21,204 --> 00:09:21,274 [laughs] 248 00:09:21,454 --> 00:09:27,964 Erez: Yeah, it's the type of thing you notice when you actually use the keyboard, which we don't want QC to actually, you know, [laughs] like sit down- 249 00:09:27,964 --> 00:09:28,074 Tisha: Right. 250 00:09:28,184 --> 00:09:30,814 ... Erez: for hours with people's keyboards and work with them, right? 251 00:09:30,814 --> 00:09:32,224 So it's hard to catch. 252 00:09:32,384 --> 00:09:32,754 Tisha: Right. 253 00:09:32,894 --> 00:09:41,974 So I don't wanna give the impression that this is something that, that you should expect to happen because it's not a high percentage, but it is higher than... 254 00:09:42,264 --> 00:09:46,794 You know, the other switches we carry, it's pretty rare that any of them have problems. 255 00:09:46,794 --> 00:09:48,781 And if it is, it's like one switch in a keyboard. 256 00:09:48,781 --> 00:09:48,899 Erez: Right. 257 00:09:48,899 --> 00:09:50,924 Tisha: It's like, "Oh, this one switch is going kinda funny." 258 00:09:51,024 --> 00:09:57,434 So on one hand, it's rare, but on the other hand, it's, you know, it happened enough times that it's a pattern. 259 00:09:57,494 --> 00:09:58,054 It's like, "Oh, yeah- 260 00:09:58,054 --> 00:09:58,154 Erez: Yeah. 261 00:09:58,194 --> 00:09:59,834 ... Tisha: this sometimes happens with these." 262 00:10:00,004 --> 00:10:01,014 Erez: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 263 00:10:01,014 --> 00:10:01,254 Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 264 00:10:01,254 --> 00:10:01,854 For sure. 265 00:10:01,864 --> 00:10:01,884 Tisha: Yeah. 266 00:10:02,794 --> 00:10:05,864 Erez: Yeah, again, like we, we cover it, but it's, I guess it's good to know. 267 00:10:06,504 --> 00:10:06,934 Tisha: Right. 268 00:10:07,384 --> 00:10:16,371 If you do get a keyboard with the Cherry MX Clear switches and some of them seem like super duper sensitive, it's not, it's not just you. 269 00:10:17,041 --> 00:10:18,111 It's not the keyboard. 270 00:10:18,191 --> 00:10:20,031 It's not your computer, you know? 271 00:10:20,611 --> 00:10:24,047 But chances are really good that it won't be the case. 272 00:10:24,377 --> 00:10:24,987 Erez: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 273 00:10:25,107 --> 00:10:25,337 Tisha: Yeah. 274 00:10:25,907 --> 00:10:27,437 I don't have numbers or anything. 275 00:10:27,447 --> 00:10:28,547 Like I don't have a percentage. 276 00:10:28,597 --> 00:10:29,687 It's just, it's small. 277 00:10:30,027 --> 00:10:31,057 Erez: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 278 00:10:31,067 --> 00:10:31,147 Tisha: Um- 279 00:10:31,357 --> 00:10:33,747 Erez: I mean, it's, I guess it's part of how we work. 280 00:10:33,747 --> 00:10:35,147 It's a lot of anecdotal stuff. 281 00:10:35,147 --> 00:10:36,267 We just talk to people. 282 00:10:36,267 --> 00:10:39,567 We're not so big on like analytics [laughs] and whatever. 283 00:10:39,567 --> 00:10:44,137 We just talk to people, and it's something we've noticed, right, just in, in the course of our work you think, right? 284 00:10:44,497 --> 00:10:45,112 Tisha: Right, right. 285 00:10:45,457 --> 00:10:59,977 So I would say if you like the feel, kind of the general feel of Cherry MX Brown but you want something a little heavier, a little firmer, not like sharp feeling, not snappy, then you might like Cherry MX Clear. 286 00:11:00,487 --> 00:11:10,827 But again, Cherry doesn't even make an RGB version, so it's a no-go for Moonlander or a ErgoDox EZ Glow or Planck EZ Glow. 287 00:11:11,877 --> 00:11:13,817 Erez: So this kind of begs the question. 288 00:11:13,817 --> 00:11:14,657 Let's say I'm thinking of- 289 00:11:14,657 --> 00:11:14,814 Tisha: [laughs] 290 00:11:14,814 --> 00:11:18,892 ... Erez: maybe buying a board, maybe, maybe buying even an ErgoDox EZ. 291 00:11:19,097 --> 00:11:24,667 I say even because, you know, I'm not even moving from a Moonlander, but I'm already set on an ErgoDox EZ- 292 00:11:24,747 --> 00:11:25,542 Tisha: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 293 00:11:25,923 --> 00:11:28,223 ... Erez: and I find the MX Clear interesting. 294 00:11:28,373 --> 00:11:29,268 Is it worth it? 295 00:11:29,268 --> 00:11:32,333 Like would you say like it's a very personal decision, I guess. 296 00:11:32,343 --> 00:11:44,387 Like do I want RGB or like is MX Clear so special that it's worth losing the lighting for and just going with a non-Glow just to get MX Clear? 297 00:11:45,097 --> 00:11:48,550 Tisha: Yeah, that's hard to say for any individual. 298 00:11:48,770 --> 00:11:54,420 I will say that the people who really like the MX Clears, for some of them, yes, it is worth it. 299 00:11:54,420 --> 00:11:59,590 Like they like the switch so much, that, you know, they specifically order their keyboard with it. 300 00:11:59,670 --> 00:12:01,710 It's okay that I don't get the backlighting. 301 00:12:02,093 --> 00:12:04,703 It's one of things I guess you don't know until you try it. 302 00:12:05,553 --> 00:12:05,603 [laughs] 303 00:12:05,613 --> 00:12:06,243 Erez: Right. 304 00:12:06,603 --> 00:12:09,423 This is where a, a key tester comes in I guess. 305 00:12:10,143 --> 00:12:11,213 Tisha: Yeah, exactly. 306 00:12:11,223 --> 00:12:11,813 And- 307 00:12:11,813 --> 00:12:12,193 Erez: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 308 00:12:12,383 --> 00:12:14,183 ... Tisha: but I also kind of... 309 00:12:14,283 --> 00:12:15,003 Well, this is the... 310 00:12:15,153 --> 00:12:17,063 It's the case for any sort of key tester. 311 00:12:17,063 --> 00:12:23,963 You get a nice sampling of what it feels like, but typing on a keyboard full of one type of switch is different. 312 00:12:24,237 --> 00:12:24,847 Erez: Absolutely. 313 00:12:25,017 --> 00:12:34,532 Because you also see the output on your screen, so the actuation when you're just using a passive test or just, you know, a, like a piece of plastic with switches stuck into it, you don't get any sense of when the key actuates, which makes a tremendous difference in use I find. 314 00:12:34,532 --> 00:12:34,544 Tisha: Right. 315 00:12:34,557 --> 00:12:39,977 Erez: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 316 00:12:40,477 --> 00:12:47,503 Tisha: Right, I, I think for a switch like this, it's kind of harder to give specific recommendations. 317 00:12:47,503 --> 00:12:52,113 Like, you know, oh, if you like "Foo", then you'll like this switch. 318 00:12:52,163 --> 00:12:54,593 Or, you know, you should give it a try because it's popular. 319 00:12:54,603 --> 00:12:55,933 I mean, well, it's not popular. 320 00:12:56,173 --> 00:13:00,180 It's prized by the people who like it, [laughs] I guess. 321 00:13:00,180 --> 00:13:00,277 Erez: Right. 322 00:13:00,383 --> 00:13:02,397 Tisha: I wouldn't say that people dislike it. 323 00:13:02,577 --> 00:13:04,797 It's just kinda, just not a generally popular switch. 324 00:13:05,342 --> 00:13:07,292 Erez: Although, you know, you just got me thinking. 325 00:13:07,292 --> 00:13:09,642 As long as we're talking niche and whatnot- 326 00:13:10,192 --> 00:13:10,362 Tisha: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 327 00:13:10,502 --> 00:13:12,532 ... Erez: you can also mod it, theoretically, right? 328 00:13:12,532 --> 00:13:19,442 I mean, you could get a bunch of Cherry MX Clears and, and take the housing off another RGB Cherry switch and swap out the housings, no? 329 00:13:19,522 --> 00:13:22,632 Tisha: Uh, yeah. 330 00:13:22,782 --> 00:13:24,606 I guess theoretically you could. 331 00:13:24,626 --> 00:13:29,525 I don't know, you know, the spring will be a big part of it. 332 00:13:29,691 --> 00:13:31,881 I don't know if you would miss out on other things, though. 333 00:13:32,141 --> 00:13:36,731 I'm not great with sort of mechanical- [laughs] 334 00:13:36,801 --> 00:13:38,051 Erez: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 335 00:13:38,051 --> 00:13:38,401 Tisha: I don't know the reasoning. 336 00:13:38,401 --> 00:13:39,598 Erez: I mean, it's something to try, yeah. 337 00:13:39,598 --> 00:13:39,773 I mean- 338 00:13:39,861 --> 00:13:40,121 Tisha: Yeah. 339 00:13:40,611 --> 00:13:45,821 Uh, and I imagine, and like certainly people have tried this. 340 00:13:46,361 --> 00:13:47,281 Erez: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 341 00:13:47,281 --> 00:13:47,301 Tisha: So- 342 00:13:47,301 --> 00:13:47,321 Erez: Yeah. 343 00:13:47,321 --> 00:13:50,431 It can, you can probably find people who did this on Reddit and whatnot. 344 00:13:50,651 --> 00:13:51,541 Tisha: Yeah, totally. 345 00:13:51,718 --> 00:14:00,270 This is a harder switch to talk about, I guess, because it's a little, like it's almost a little bit of an enigma, [laughs] you know? 346 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:14,580 Erez: Which, on the other hand, is kind of why we decided to, to create Tisha Talks Switches because it's one of those things that there's a lot around it, and just like three numbers and a graph don't really tell the story there I, I find. 347 00:14:15,110 --> 00:14:16,180 Tisha: Right, right. 348 00:14:16,530 --> 00:14:31,580 I know, you know, a lot of people who want kind of a heavier more tactile switch, uh, tend to gravitate toward some of the custom Kailh, like Kailh Box Royal or Navy, which is clicky. 349 00:14:31,620 --> 00:14:33,190 I believe Jade is also clicky. 350 00:14:33,290 --> 00:14:37,970 A lot of times when people are looking for more tactile, that's what they're looking for, firmer, sharper. 351 00:14:38,570 --> 00:14:44,300 Erez: And those are all, I mean, they're aftermarket in the sense you don't get them from us, but they are RGB friendly. 352 00:14:44,620 --> 00:14:45,040 Tisha: Right. 353 00:14:45,910 --> 00:14:54,120 Erez: But, let's say I'm listening to this and I'm thinking like, for me, I care about RGB or I want the Moonlander specifically, for example. 354 00:14:54,395 --> 00:14:56,775 But I like I'm hearing about the MX Clear. 355 00:14:56,965 --> 00:14:57,955 What are my options? 356 00:14:57,955 --> 00:14:59,145 What should I be looking at? 357 00:14:59,175 --> 00:15:00,855 An MX Brown or... 358 00:15:01,229 --> 00:15:04,025 Tisha: That is tough. 359 00:15:04,125 --> 00:15:08,735 Yeah, maybe MX Brown if you're okay with something that's not so heavy. 360 00:15:08,735 --> 00:15:15,785 But if what you're looking for is that rounded tactile bump, then MX Brown. 361 00:15:16,355 --> 00:15:17,995 Or maybe Kailh Copper- 362 00:15:18,655 --> 00:15:18,915 Erez: Hm. 363 00:15:19,039 --> 00:15:26,339 ... Tisha: which also has a rounded sort of gentle, and I think somewhat higher tactile bump. 364 00:15:26,819 --> 00:15:30,642 That's a Speed Switch, so the actuation happens just before the bump. 365 00:15:30,931 --> 00:15:36,891 Yeah, I think out of the RGB switches we have, those are what I'd recommend trying. 366 00:15:37,501 --> 00:15:47,921 And then if you're looking for something with a firmer tactile bump but not sharp, then the ZealPC Zealios might be something to look at- 367 00:15:48,191 --> 00:15:48,624 Erez: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 368 00:15:48,624 --> 00:15:50,301 ... Tisha: which is another third party switch. 369 00:15:50,401 --> 00:15:50,961 They... 370 00:15:51,234 --> 00:15:57,501 Yeah, they are sort of more strongly tactile switches, but not sharp and they come in a variety of weights. 371 00:15:57,748 --> 00:15:58,228 Erez: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 372 00:15:58,228 --> 00:16:02,808 Tisha: You can choose a, kind of lighter or medium or heavier switches. 373 00:16:02,961 --> 00:16:04,851 And they are all RGB compatible. 374 00:16:05,141 --> 00:16:07,411 I think all ZealPC switches are RGB. 375 00:16:07,811 --> 00:16:08,161 Yeah. 376 00:16:08,461 --> 00:16:08,871 Erez: Right. 377 00:16:09,111 --> 00:16:09,611 Awesome. 378 00:16:10,101 --> 00:16:10,551 Great. 379 00:16:11,341 --> 00:16:15,281 Is there anything else we wanna say about Cherry MX Clear? 380 00:16:15,981 --> 00:16:23,954 Tisha: I think the only other thing, and maybe it's not even helpful [laughs] to say this, but this is an exception to the rule. 381 00:16:24,034 --> 00:16:29,814 In general, the color of the switch, tells you some characteristics of the switch regardless of who makes it. 382 00:16:30,174 --> 00:16:30,599 Erez: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 383 00:16:30,934 --> 00:16:32,094 Tisha: Not the case for Clear. 384 00:16:32,994 --> 00:16:33,384 The o... 385 00:16:33,394 --> 00:16:36,674 [laughs] There is a GATERON Clear switch. 386 00:16:36,884 --> 00:16:38,714 It's a 100% completely different. 387 00:16:38,724 --> 00:16:38,764 [laughs] 388 00:16:39,794 --> 00:16:40,134 Erez: Right. 389 00:16:40,344 --> 00:16:50,271 Tisha: So if you like what you've been hearing about Cherry MX Clear and you see GATERON Clear and think maybe that's gonna be similar, it's not at all. 390 00:16:50,551 --> 00:16:58,621 It's a very, very light linear switch rated at even lower force than Kailh Silver. 391 00:16:58,894 --> 00:16:59,197 Erez: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 392 00:16:59,197 --> 00:16:59,422 Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 393 00:16:59,534 --> 00:17:01,554 Tisha: You know, a tiny bit, but, yeah. 394 00:17:01,614 --> 00:17:07,424 So the, I guess that means [laughs] Cherry MX Clear is at least somewhat unique- 395 00:17:07,764 --> 00:17:08,359 Erez: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. 396 00:17:08,584 --> 00:17:13,424 ... Tisha: and that other switches named Clear are probably not similar. 397 00:17:14,064 --> 00:17:15,054 Erez: [laughs] Makes sense. 398 00:17:15,054 --> 00:17:15,214 Tisha: [laughs] 399 00:17:16,121 --> 00:17:16,711 Erez: Awesome. 400 00:17:16,918 --> 00:17:17,948 Well, thank you very much. 401 00:17:17,948 --> 00:17:19,088 This was very interesting. 402 00:17:19,088 --> 00:17:19,265 Tisha: Okay. 403 00:17:19,265 --> 00:17:20,458 Erez: This is, this is one switch... 404 00:17:20,488 --> 00:17:24,938 I, I did not think this switch would get described as a roller coaster, so definitely- 405 00:17:25,378 --> 00:17:25,458 Tisha: [laughs] 406 00:17:25,508 --> 00:17:26,388 ... Erez: definitely interesting. 407 00:17:26,658 --> 00:17:27,358 Tisha: Right, yeah. 408 00:17:27,358 --> 00:17:28,468 I'm not sure... 409 00:17:28,634 --> 00:17:30,004 yeah, don't take that literally. 410 00:17:30,284 --> 00:17:30,324 [laughs] 411 00:17:31,804 --> 00:17:34,064 Erez: [laughs] All right, thank you very much, Tisha. 412 00:17:34,244 --> 00:17:34,304 Tisha: Okay, sure. 413 00:17:34,304 --> 00:17:34,814 Thanks. 414 00:17:35,154 --> 00:17:35,674 Erez: Bye. 415 00:17:35,994 --> 00:17:36,264 Tisha: Bye-bye.